When a leftist goes too far...

I meant to blog about this yesterday, but my day (and week) has been crazy.

Yesterday, Venezuela's government granted President Hugo Chavez sweeping new powers.

He'll be able to rule by decree for the next 18 months.

That's right, President Chavez has been given complete control over 11 broad areas of legislation including: the economy, the oil industry, defense and the structure of the state.

The purpose of no longer submitting to a very compliant parliament was so that the president can remake laws for "the construction of a new, sustainable economic and social model" to achieve an equal distribution of wealth.

This isn't liberalism or progressivism. This is totalitarianism, pure and simple. Liberals and progressives should be screaming about this man's power grab. When President Bush tried something much more innocuous, progessives and liberals were screaming about a power grab. We should be up in arms about Chavez's manuevers. Even if we agee with his desire to create a more equitable distribution of wealth, his tactics aren't progressive. They limit freedom and and choice. Chavez doesn't have to submit to the popular will and is above the law. He may even re-write the Constitution to stay in power longer than the constitutional term limits allow.

Hugo Chavez may claim the title of a leftist or a socialist, but he shares nothing in common with liberalism and progessivism in America. Chavez is wrong and should be removed from power like every other dictator in the world.

Comments

What did you expect?

It is merely the logical next step for Chavez.

What are we going to do about it? We might support a coup, as we did in Chile, against Allende. Oh no. Our left did not like that. We might fund an opposition as we did in Nicaragua. No, that's not going to fly, either, is it? What is the proper response, then, according to the Left in America, against a leftist who goes too far?

Kate Pitrone

Expat, Glad to see you

Expat,
Glad to see you understand the left's hypocrisy on Chavez. But one thing we've learned post-Bush is that sometimes we're better off keeping our nose out of other countries' internal affairs.

That said, I think the U.S. has some significant responsibility to defend freedom in the world. But in this particular case, Chavez got elected by the people so they are getting what they asked for. Perhaps they'll learn something.

But I will say the one thing the U.S. can and should be doing (not just the government but anyone of influence) is to denounce Chavez. I hope people like Danny Glover & Harry Belafonte are embarrassed and recant their support of Chavez publicly, but I doubt we'll see that.

Gimme a break....

No one on the left is pleased by this development. Contra the right, we shouldn't invade, but that doesn't mean we're happy about this consolidation of power.

i'm w/nick

There's got to be a public denunciation from the president and congress [since they're feeling like doing lots of foreign policy these days], and it's got to lack adding Venezuela to the list of the nations that are in the "Axis of Evil".

Public denunciation on a local scale

I'm sure you're all aware of Chavez's "gift" of heating oil to low-income families on the East coast through the Venezuelan-owned company Citgo. This past fall he extended the program to Native villages here in Alaska. In addition to the cold winters, 90% of our state is not connected to the road system. Fuel prices can run as high as 7 dollars/gallon, so obviously any help is appreciated. Although many were glad for the offer, I was heartened to see that a handful of villages came together and refused the offer of free heating oil based on principle. They would not accept such a politically motivated offer from a man who has gone too far in many ways many times over. In response, these villages have recieved offer of support from other Americans who support their public denunciation of Chavez and his policies. Unfortunately, that support has not amounted to as much value as the heating oil would have, but I certainly admire their stance.

Moving someone like Chavez would take much more than a denunciation by Congress or the President. It has to include the grass-roots efforts inside Venezuela and beyond.

*))
((*
*))
((*

Think snow.

Denunciations

It might be worth it for the US g'ment to do absolutely nothing. A denunciation won't have much positive effect, and it will add fuel to the adversarialism that Chavez uses to maintain his popularity. If the g'ment treated him like a non-entity, his ability to use anti-Americanism would be constrained.

It might, however, make more sense to support a UN resolution against Chavez's move, but I'm not too optimistic about that, either.

Not about Leftist Hypocrisy

Expat is right to distinguish between leftism and Chavez's now totalitarian regime. Nick, I missed the passage where Expat called this leftist hypocrisy. Calling for liberals to speak out against Chavez, especially in light of these new powers is not the same as saying we were wrong all along. "Alaskan Brian's" points explain precisely why Chavez is not as clearly evil as some of you would likely to believe. Nevertheless, I agree with Expat that totalitarianism cannot be tolerated.

Does that mean putting Venezuela on the list of the axis of evil? Of course not. No good has ever come of that list. We would do much better to look at why Chavez is such a successful populist figure in his country, and abroad. He provides food and heat to the poor, and he successfully demonstrates that America has failed to do the same.

We cannot write him off. We've got to denounce him but we also have to learn from him. To do otherwise is folly.

Dustin Kidd

Dustin Kidd

r. johnson said something similar

Frequent commentor r.johnson couldn't post here so he posted over at my blog. He and Dustin would seem to agree on several of the points. Here are his comments:

Expat, I tried posting this over at Good Will Hinton, but my captcha validation never works. I can't even send an email notifying anyone of the problem because it requires a captcha validation.

Here is the comment:
Like it or not, as Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn noted "Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic."

I find it ironic that, while the post states this isn't about 'liberalism or progressivism' but about totalitarianism, conservatives use the post to take shots at liberals. Old habits die hard.

While I was not able to read the article underlying the post, I could not help but notice that Expat denounces Chavez's tactics as not being progressive. I am not sure if there are set criteria for determining what are acceptable 'progressive' tactics, versus unacceptable tactics, for attempting a more equitable distribution of wealth, but I suspect that no methods will ever be free of criticism, especially when one is viewing changes from a society that embraces free market economies.

And that's where I think Expat paints with too broad of a brush: "Hugo Chavez ...shares nothing in common with liberalism and progressivism in America." Fair enough, so why the need to denounce Chavez (from an American perspective) and call for his removal of power? Because he is not an American and does not hold highly that which we claim to love so dearly? That is Imperialism, and just as offensive as a totalitarian government that suppresses its citizens.

Expat, this goes back to a conversation we had several years ago, and whether it is 'better' to live under a totalitarian government, like Bhutan, were every citizen can meet with the King, or in a democracy, where the majority can effectively ensure that the minority's voice is not heard. de Tocqueville described it as 'the tyranny of the majority' and the last few years of republican rule have shown it at its worst. Still we cling to the idea that we have freedom and choice in our government, largely because we are free to vote every few years.

The same is true in Venezuela. Chavez was elected in 1998. He ran on a platform of reforms, and following the election, he changed the constitution in a number of ways. Critics like to focus on the change of the presidential term from five years to six, but few point out that Chavez inserted a provision in the constitution which allows for presidential recall elections, greater autonomy for judges, etc. When the constitution was adopted, new elections were called for and Chavez won reelection in 2000. In 2002, there was a coup attempt, supported by the US, which is not exactly a democratic idea or progressive idea, but it failed none the less. Opposition groups, rather than mount a military effort to remove Chavez, then utilized the very presidential recall provision of the Venezuelan constitution that Chavez had proposed. If failed and like it or not, it was a sign of democracy at work. Chavez was then reelected in 2006, again a sign of democracy at work.

I am not sure what you are referring to in 'Bush's power grab', but I can think of a few examples where our government has turned over its powers to Bush, the Iraq war resolution being one. Just last week, Bush issued a new directive (expanding on the directives of Bush 41 and Clinton), that gives the administration greater control in issuing and enforcing regulations. Why is it that we are so quick to ascribe a malevolent intent to the actions of Chavez, while ascribing a noble or benevolent intent to the actions of Bush?

A fine question and one I don't really have an answer for right now.

Our little tyrant

"Why is it that we are so quick to ascribe a malevolent intent to the actions of Chavez, while ascribing a noble or benevolent intent to the actions of Bush?"

In fairness, a lot of people do acribe malevolent intentions to Bush. I have certainly done so in the past, perhaps unfairly at times.

But at the end of the day, Bush gets off the hook because he's our little tyrant. We elected him, and we allowed him to do everything that he's done.

Dustin Kidd

Dustin Kidd

our little tyrant

While I don't agree w/the president's actions in the war on terror, he's not really a tyrant. His powers can easily be controlled. In the case of the recent call for an increase in troops, congress can check his power by refusing to fund the effort. Sure, they'll be labelled as "not supporting the troops" by some. [Others of us will label them as "having a pair".]

Chavez is different. He gets to rule by decree. Venezuela's legislative body can't block what he's doing.

As to why the left is being lumped in with him, his famous friends in the US lean to the left. When they fail to call him on abuse of power, they're lumped in with our criticism of him. When they denounce him [i.e. Charles Rangel calling him out for calling the president a devil], they are applauded.

Come On Dustin & r. johnson!!

Dustin & r.johnson give me a hard time for leaning on liberals for "hypocrisy" in their response or lack thereof regarding Chavez. I'm going to push back a little here:

Look, when it comes to stopping even a hint of greater executive control in the U.S., liberals (more precisely Democratic-party sympathizers) find evil intent in nearly any of Bush's actions. Yet, when we see actual massive increases in executive control from a country that actively works against our country's interests, we don't hear the left say a word. Let's be honest here and not split hairs.

Yes, totalitarianism and liberalism aren't the same thing, but in the mind of this conservative, they are a lot closer than true conservatism (what Will and others call "classical liberalism") and totalitarianism.

The left in America loses credibility in their fight against conservatism but not being consistent when it comes to an anti-American dictator like Chavez.

I'm hard-pressed to see it any other way.

the shorter answer.

I see it as another unfortunate thing in another foreign country that we should watch and manage our relations with, but deal with the planks in our own eyes. Supporting coups/anti-government groups, sanctions for all but grievous offenses and attempts to isolate have all either backfired, bloodied our hands or both.

"Remember, son-
I didn't sell out,
I bought in."

"Remember, son-
I didn't sell out,
I bought in."

Come On?

Nick,

You seem to argue that it is 'OK' (if not expected) for liberals to denounce Chavez for increasing his power at the expense of democracy, but blasphemous for liberals to denounce Bush for increasing his power at the expense of democracy. You can't have it both ways. It is not splitting hairs and the expansion of powers claimed by the Bush administration are not imaginary or trivial. Alberto Gonzales, the top lawyer in government who is supposed to represent the people's interests, recently said that the US Constitution does not guarantee the right of Habeas Corpus to all citizens. Personally, I find it far more important to try and preserve the freedoms and liberties we enjoy here at home, knowing that this country often leads by example, rather than criticizing Chavez for... doing exactly what George Bush is doing. It is hypocrisy to criticize Chavez, and not Bush.

If democracy succeeds, it should be because it is a better form of government, not because we force it upon the rest of the world. Isn't that the essence of a 'free market' ideology?

And you make my point about this being about Imperialism when you say that Chavez 'work's against our country's interests.' In the name of our country's interests, we must impose our values and beliefs upon the people of Venezuela? That is not democracy. Imperialism denies the people of Venezuela a voice just as a totalitarian government does.

r.johnson

Post new comment

The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly.
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
  • Images can be added to this post.

More information about formatting options

CAPTCHA
This question is for testing whether you are a human visitor and to prevent automated spam submissions.