Virginia Tech and in loco parentis

I was talking briefly with students this morning about yesterday’s events (which hit close to home, as one student’s cousin attends Virginia Tech; they didn’t know she was O.K. until yesterday evening).

One of the issues we talked about was what authorities should have done after the first murders were discovered. One way of looking at it is to think about what the police force of a small city would have done after having discovered two bodies. I don’t think they would have "locked down" the city while they investigated.

But a college is different. We parents (I’m not quite there yet, as my kids have a few years to go before we ship them off) somehow trust or hope that the college authorities will look after our not-quite-kids/not-quite-adults in our absence. If a murderer might be on the loose in my neighborhood, I’ll lock down my house, without any prompting from the authorities. Could I, should I, have expected similar caution and concern from the Virginia Tech’s administration?

I think that these matters are complicated, and that they’re bound up with the increasing freedom claimed by and granted to college students. In loco parentis, once the norm (and perhaps still the half-conscious expectation of many parents), exists only in odd ways. Consider, for example, this federal appellate opinion from the late 70s:

"Our beginning point is a recognition that the modern American college is not an insurer of the safety of its students. Whatever may have been its responsibility in an earlier era, the authoritarian role of today’s college administrations has been notably diluted in recent decades. Trustees, administrators, and faculties have been required to yield to the expanding rights and privileges of their students."

Consider, also, Justice William O. Douglas’ concurring opinion in an early 70s collegiate First Amendment case:

"Many, inside and out of faculty circles, realize that one of the main problems of faculty members is their own re-education or re-orientation. Some have narrow specialties that are hardly relevant to modern times. History has passed others by, leaving them interesting relics of a bygone day. More often than not they represent those who withered under the pressures of McCarthyism or other forces of conformity and represent but a timid replica of those who once brought distinction to the ideal of academic freedom.

"The confrontation between them and the oncoming students has often been upsetting. The problem is not one of choosing sides. Students - who, by reason of the Twenty-sixth Amendment, become eligible to vote when 18 years of age - are adults who are members of the college or university community. Their interests and concerns are often quite different from those of the faculty. They often have values, views, and ideologies that are at war with the ones which the college has traditionally espoused or indoctrinated. When they ask for change, they, the students, speak in the tradition of Jefferson and Madison and the First Amendment."

A libertarian article complains that a version of in loco parentis has made a comeback, driven largely by liability concerns and political correctness. I’m not as confident as the author that everyone "intra" the "murales" can and should take care of himself or herself, but I am willing to go along in deprecating the legalism that marks the contemporary university. Whatever the law may say, these not-quite-adults are still-our-kids, and we want them to be as safe as possible. Hence our uneasiness about the university’s response.

Comments

Age of adulthood is 18

With the exception of drinking, the age of adulthood in America is 18 and while it is certainly the university's responsibility to provide a safe environment, they aren't responsible for their students' behaviour and complete safety.

In parentis loco doesn't really apply. We wouldn't expect that a trade union look after a son/daughter who at age 18 apprentices with them. We don't expect the military to look after a son/daughter who at age 18 joins the military.

This is true tragedy, but I'm not sure exactly how the university has any responsibility for the tragedy or the student's actions.

Re: age of adulthood

Legally, you're sort of half-right (see the article from REASON to which I linked). There are all sorts of liability issues that are pushing colleges into a kind of defensive supervision of student life. And you had better believe there will be lawsuits in the aftermath of this case....

But my point was a "moral" one. Whatever the legal age of adulthood is, parents still regard their kids as their kids. And since nothing magical happens on the 18th birthday, they still are, regardless of what the driver's license says. We become adults, responsible for ourselves, over time. Parents have some sort of moral expectation that colleges will help facilitate this transition and that it will be a relatively safe one. That's what I mean by in loco parentis.

Joe Knippenberg

I'm not sure I agree

While the legal age of adulthood is 18, there is sort of a cloud of 'not-quite-adult' that hangs over college students. Colleges and univesities have all kinds of rules and regulations that they put on their students - especially ones living on campus (or even rules that only apply to when you are on campus) - that would never be leveled on regular adults in the 'real world'. And look at the recent Imus controversy. Would the outpouring have been that substantial if he had the same thing about a WNBA team? No way - because we all would understand those ladies to be legitimately 'adult' and they could stand up for themselves. What happened at Virginia Tech was a tragedy and I'm sure there will be parents of victims looking for someone to blame and some of that will almost certainly land on the University itself.

(It also should be noted that not everyone at college is 18. I didn't turn 18 until a month after the conclusion of my freshman year of college)

Kids!

I have a 17 year old son in college and I only wish his college was as "in loco parentis" as it suggests that it is in the recruiting materials. Colleges never actually are. He is doing fine, academically, and (an odd kind of good fortune) we are too poor to provide him with the means for real trouble.

Kids can find trouble when they are still at home. They leave the door for high school, and you really do not know what happens next. Joe is correct that it is a process, a transition, children growing into adulthood. Once they are old enough to go out the door on their own, all they really have is the self-control that you, as parent, have given them.

The "moral" obligation of colleges and certainly high schools to help us, as parents with that transition to adulthood is there, but is very difficult, maybe impossible in practical terms to meet that obligation. I do not see how colleges can have control.

Especially in this, the Virginia Tech case: I do not see how the college can be expected to have any control over that situation, any more than our government could have control over those people who commandeered airplanes and flew them into buildings.

Kate Pitrone

Re: kids

As I note in a post over NLT, there were plenty of signs that something was wrong with this guy, and even a few efforts to reach out and help. But the law that requires that we respect students' privacy makes acting in loco parentis quite difficult, not to say impossible. To the degree that the law expresses or reflects the culture, the latter is what we should be thinking about.

Joe Knippenberg

Agreed

As I said in a comment on NLT, I am not even allowed to talk to the parents of students in enrolled in the college's PSEO program, (these are high school students) if they call to ask how their own kid is doing, much less to anyone about any student. Also, I have the contradictory responsibility to see that a troubled student gets help from elsewhere in the college if I think they need it, and to not get involved.

As to troubled students, as I said on NLT: "I am going to college workshops on how to deal with students in various types of trouble, and the next one is on the seriously disturbed student. Maybe such things will be evident as the mark of Cain on such students after that workshop, but I doubt it.

Last semester, I had a girl, still in high school, in our PSEO program, who wrote a story about burning her unconscious father alive in the back yard. It was a very vivid and completely compelling short story. I privately suggested counseling, but we are not supposed to do more, unless there is something obvious. What IS obvious? There was no whiff of gasoline about her person. There was no sign of anything at all troubling about her until the story came in. Was she merely venting typical teen angst? How would I know? She smiled and said it was nothing, really, nothing."

Evidenced by their writing, I have several disturbed students in any given class. Do I know if any one of them is actually disturbed? Maybe I'll know after the next college workshop.

Kate Pitrone

Here comes the overreaction....

Its natural for parents to stay up late fretting about their children, especially after they leave the warm, safe cocoon of home, but the authoritarian tendencies at American colleges and universities are even worst than the Reason piece makes them out to be. I am an American. I go to school in Canada. I've done many overnights at American schools with friends. Going to school here is nothing like the American experience. Students sit on the highest governing boards and have an equal vote. Our student union has a real budget of upwards of 20 million dollars, all completely controlled by students. Student policians are paid real salaries: over 20,000 dollars a year to administer a large, autonomous organization. Living in a dorm room gives you the same legal rights as renting an apartment anywhere else in the city: RAs cannot search you, they cannot violate your rights, they cannot fine you for breaking laws or rules.

And the result of all this? The result is that students here are infinitely more prepared to live on their own, and take the greater responsibilities more seriously. At a large American school (where the drinking age is 21), every weekend sees an ambluence and another case of alcohol poisioning. In an entire year, I never saw anyone shipped off to the hospital, and the drinking age is 18. Its all about trust. American culture, especially in recent years, has moved towards the "helicopter parent' and the over-reaching University administration.

And now, with this tragedy in Virginia we get the inevitable backlash. First, Conservatives introduce bills to let students carry guns on campus. And then the New York Times publishes alarmist pieces concerning universities and their right to take action against mentally ill students. And now what are we going to get? More metal dectectors on campus, more security, and the return of in loco parentis

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