My friend Gabe Lyons has just co-authored a fantastic new book, UnChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christianity... and Why It Matters. In it he and David Kinnaman explore many of the negative opinions that people have about Christians. Not surprisingly they learned that many people think of Christians as being judgmental, hypocritical, anti-homosexual, too political, and sheltered. (Here is an interview I conducted with Gabe)
I'm curious as to what other impressions people have about Christians.
I'm going to tag five of my friends to write their four things about Christians: three negative perceptions and one thing that Christians should be known for. So here is my list:
1. Christians don't create anything original. They only mimic the world around them.
Just go in any Christian bookstore. You will see "sanctified" Christian books that are almost identical to books in B&N or Borders. You will see t-shirts that are rip offs of "secular" apparel, yet with Bible verses. There are even Christian workout clubs. Yet why is it that the Christian version of so many "secular" (I hate the word secular) items are so often totally lame?
2. Christians get offended at everything.
It seems like every day Christians are getting riled up about something - be it DisneyWorld, supposed persecution of Christians in America (puh-leeze!), or even cursing in the work place. Sometimes it feels like Christians disagree with the first part of the bumper-sticker that says "Christians Aren't Perfect, Just Forgiven".
3. Christians are just waiting to be "raptured up" and couldn’t care less about this world.
What with books like the Left Behind series telling Christians that this world is all going to burn and many Christians’ visible revulsion at being good stewards of the Earth, it is hard to think otherwise.
4. Christians should be known for their unfailing love for others.
By others, I don't mean other Christians. I mean all other people. Especially those that are hard to love. The poor. The sick. The widowed. The outcasts. The oppressed.
A few of my friends are doing this. My friend Chris Heurtz of Word Made Flesh helps the poorest of the poor around the world. My friend Jamie Tworkowski of To Write Love On Her Arms helps people suffering with depression and suicidal tendencies. And my friend Daniel of Meet Justice is working to stop child sex trafficking in Atlanta.
I'm tagging the following five people to answer "UnChristian: 4 Things About Christians" and link to the book to read more about this topic:
Joe Carter of Evangelical Outpost
David Wayne of Jollyblogger
Brother Maynard of Subversive Influence
Daniel Larison
Michael Spencer of InternetMonk
You don't have to be tagged to answer these questions.
Update: Here is the interview I did with UnChristian co-author Gabe Lyons.
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UnChristian
Thanks for making this hard on me by taking a bunch of the things I was going to say ;-)
David Wayne
Glen Burnie Evangelical Presbyterian Church
http://jollyblogger.typepad.com
David Wayne
Glen Burnie Evangelical Presbyterian Church
http://jollyblogger.typepad.com
original great music by Christians
There is a Christian music subculture. However, there are also believers who are in the mainstream market making great music, i.e. - Nickel Creek, Mindy Smith, David Wilcox, U2, the Fray, Los Lonely Boys, Matt Kearney, and others. Some in the evangelical subculture may doubt how orthodox these artist are, but they are out there making great music.
The 77's [Michael Roe] had a deal w/Island in the late 80's that collapsed once U2 became the labels main band. However, they made and continue to make great music that can stand up to anything on the radio. I think Daniel Amos, The Choir, Steve Taylor/Chagall Guevara all fit into the same mold. They tried to make it in the mainstream - but couldn't get traction. Most of them make livings producing, writing, or running labels.
There are also folks competing in print media, in record labels, and on the web who are putting out content into the mainstream, shunning the Christian ghetto.
None of these people can do anything to rid the world of "religious nick-nacks" [vis a vis the Swirling Eddies], other than by generating material of superior quality so that Christians [and others] can compare it to "Living on Prayer" t-shirts and CCM magazine - and choose what is better.
Add to the list
One more to add to the list - Sufjan Stevens. That man's songwriting blows me away, especially as he writes about Christ.
Oh, I would also add Waterdeep.
Will - Thanks for posting this. I'll be ordering this book right away and likely recommending it to a few pastors that I know. We need to have this conversation as members of the body of Christ.
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My List
As a Christian who is frequently frustrated with Christianity, I'd like to make my list.
1. Christians are strangely defensive of discriminatory behavior, despite claiming their faith brings equality. I am thinking, for instance, of the pastor in Jena, LA, who confronted protesters and argued that the nooses on trees were typical children's games and carried no racist message. Why the hell aren't Christians being leaders in anti-racist movements? Why do they repeatedly defend racism?
2. Christians have dug themselves into a sexist hole and they can't get out. I don't care how many wedding pastors try to focus on the importance of the man loving his wife, and obscure the passage about the wife submitting. Just mentioning the passage serves as a reminder that wives are expected to submit. That passage is a stumbling block for Christians and it undermines the incredible ways that women are leading the church and leading the world. It undermines the tremendous diversity of women and men and inclines the church to treat us as gender categories first, and only as individuals later.
3. Christians are terrified of sexuality. The footage of Ted Haggard leading documentary cameras around his church asking married members how often they had sex was meant to convince us that Christians in general love sexuality and that they alone have the "right" sexuality. The aftermath told us otherwise. From censoring sexuality in art and entertainment to blocking access to adequate sexual health education to tearing churches apart over gay and lesbian sexuality, the church repeatedly demonstrates that it just cannot handle sex.
4. Christians should be known for Jesus. Most people I know who despise and ridicule Christianity, often for good reason, rarely say a negative word about Jesus. The most criticized passages of the Bible are rarely out of the gospels (we have Paul and the Old Testament to thank instead). The story of Jesus is a beautiful, passionate story that can be transformative.
Dustin Kidd
Dustin Kidd
Regarding no one being bothered by Jesus
Dustin,
No one seems bothered by Jesus, when he's viewed as a nice hippy who could also do miracles - in other words - "Jesus who doesn't bug me". When asked about Jesus' claims as the only way to God, the discussions about heaven, coming back from the dead, folks aren't as jazzed - and would state that those were parts of the gospels that were added later by his followers to gain power over other religions.
The Jesus who tells people to give everything to the poor and follow him, that I cannot say a mean word to my brother without it counting as murder, that lust equals murder - he bugs me. However, that Jesus is also the one who offers life, who is transformative to me personally, and to my family.
Give People More Credit
I like to give people more credit than that. I think non-Christians who appreciate the life and teachings of Jesus have a richer understanding of him than the mere "nice hippy" you describe above. I know a lot of non-Christians who are much better examples of giving everything to the poor than the majority of church-goers, and they appreciate the example of Christ. Frankly, I think Christians would do well to pay more attention to what non-Christians see in Jesus. I think Christians are at least equally guilty of transforming Jesus into a fantasy figure who just makes them feel good about themselves.
Dustin Kidd
Dustin Kidd
"The Jesus who tells people
"The Jesus who tells people to give everything to the poor and follow him ... he bugs me."
Is this tied to a belief that it is a sin to be poor? Or that only sinners are poor? Or that, if you are poor, it must be because you have done something "wrong" in the eyes of God?
Is it right to take in (and preach out) the parts of Christ's message that don't inconvenience you, while disavowing those parts of His message that "bug" you? Do these things "bug" you because they ask you to give up something/do without something?
What's the focus, here?
Will,
Your post (along with some of the comments above) strikes me as really talking about evangelicals, rather than Christians in general. Your points don't readily apply to Catholics, and still less to mainline Protestants.
So did you mean for this post to apply to Christians in general, or just evangelicals?
Ick: you are correct. These
Ick: you are correct. These are mostly focused on evangelical Christians. But I think that is appropriate as evangelicals have a misproportioned influence in society. I do think when non-Christians think negatively of Christians, they are primarily thinking of evangelicals or "born-agains". Thought?
I disagree
I suspect that there aspects of these stereotypes that apply more to evangelicals than to other Christians, but I certainly think the Catholic church faces this heavily as well. Here in Philadelphia, I find more discomfort with Catholics than with evangelicals. When I was in the south, the evangelicals really set the tone. The arguments happening now in the episcopal church are also making a contribution. The Methodist trial of a lesbian pastor a few years ago certainly added to the sentiment that Christians are anti-lesbian and gay. So I think the mainline is right here in the midst of this, too.
Dustin Kidd
Dustin Kidd
I do think when
I do think when non-Christians think negatively of Christians, they are primarily thinking of evangelicals or "born-agains".
I read somewhere that when you say "Christian", the image that pops up in people's heads is a middle-aged white man in a suit, standing on a soapbox with a Bible in one hand and American flag in the other, shouting denunciations.
Even with my insider experience, one of the first images that pops up is Young Earth Creationists and/or Left Behinders going "DIE, HERETIC!" (This comes from a Christian YahooGroup I used to be on that blew up in flamewars constantly on these two subjects -- Young Earth Creationism or Pin the Tail on The Antichrist; the constant flamewars finally killed the group. As J Vernon Magee said once on the radio, "A lot of Christians are more interested in who The Antichrist is going to be than Who Christ Is.")
Christians or American pop culture in general?
It seems that the list of peeves in the OP could just as easily apply to American pop culture in general. Lack of originality is certainly not confined to evangelical Christian circles- just listen to any Top 40 radio station, visit a flea market, or watch another remake movie. There seems to be a mental indolence, insistance on instant gratification, and self-centeredness that is pervasive in America, not particular to Christians. The characterization of Christians as easily offended and uninterested in the here and now could as easily apply to every litigious, non-recycling, cigarette-butt tossing, gas-guzzling consumer out there.
Should Christians be lights to the world, conduits of God's grace? Absolutely! Do we often fall short? Of course! But as with most of society throughout history, one needs to take a look outside the main stream to see originality and excellence.
A Challenge!
Will,
As David said, you don't make it easy! This is a good topic though, and I will be sure to post on it though it may not be until Monday. Thanks for getting it started.
1. Christians don't create
1. Christians don't create anything original. They only mimic the world around them.
Ever wondered if the pitch sheets for Christian fiction/movies/TV/media are pre-printed "Just like (fill in the blank with current trendy hit), except CHRISTIAN!" (Except for the ones that say "Just like Left Behind, except...")
Years ago in SF lit fandom, we had a saying "It's gotta be Christian. Look how shoddy it is."
2. Christians get offended at everything.
As in "Professional Weaker Brethren", the Christian version of the Tyranny of the Perpetually/Easily Offended.
3. Christians are just waiting to be "raptured up" and couldn’t care less about this world.
Think about what future Christians project: Seven Years of Antichrist Dystopia, then The End. Dark Future, followed by No Future.
Funny thing is, the future tends to happen whether you're involved in it or not. And when the future happens regardless, those who have No Future find themselves Left Behind.
That seems exactly backwards to me ...
"Especially those that are hard to love. The poor. The sick. The widowed. The outcasts. The oppressed."
I agree with you on the "especially those who are hard to love" part -- that seems to sum up what being Christ-like is all about. But the list of who those folks are which follows ... seems completely wrong to me.
Why are the poor, the sick, the widowed, the oppressed "hard to love"? These seem to me to be the easiest folks to love. The one's who are hard to love are the mean-spirited, the judgmental, and the homicidal; the bigots, the hypocrites, and the fear mongers. And yet, I try to allow my response to these folks be just as loving as my response to the sick and the weak. Being Christ-like isn't supposed to be easy, after all ...
sorry if this is odd, but i
sorry if this is odd, but i found your blog while doing research on twloha.
i don't know if you've read the book 'lord, save us from your followers' by dan merchant, but i think you would thoroughly enjoy it, it explores the same sort of ideas in this post, but in a humorous way.
-mere
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